There are fewer and fewer people that are truly educated.

I always think that, you know, when I'm reading something, it takes me days to read a book.

And during that period of time, even while I'm ingesting it I'm wrestling with these

ideas you know and then I'm thinking about the ideas when I put the book down and

it's it is a deeper knowledge than you're going to get googling a fact or Google or reading an article.

The exercise of forming cogent thoughts I think is really important to learning how to think and I

worry that you know as you're talking about some of these complex ideas you know you're

really talking about the foundation of our society.

How do you get that across to people that maybe don't want to put in work?

Let's go. Go.

Welcome to Citizen. We have a

Welcome to Citizen. We have a special guest today. Nick Palmasiano, you all know him. So we're going to keep the intro brief.

Yeah, we don't have to do all that. This is also your second time on the show.

I appreciate you having me again. Yeah. Yeah. Well you just happened to be in all we actually are crossing paths more regularly now.

Well you're becoming more of a more of a force in you know getting stuff done yeah it's it's you know it's been an

interesting transition for me most of my life I've been like I grew up poor and that I was in the inventory so I'm used to

having busted knuckles all the time yep and this whole thing where most of my

influences picking up phones and pressuring people to doing things or just

knowing how to maneuver pieces around is very foreign to me and it's irritating as well.

Not the problem like I don't mind doing it. That's not the point.

It's like at the end of the day I have clean hands and that seems very odd to me.

I don't know how to process any of that to be honest.

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