Hey, you guys, welcome to Tuesday show, in the mind of Fras, all about interviews, experiences, and entrepreneurs.

Today we have an interview with someone who's a good friend of mine, and I also adore him and want him to be more and more on this podcast because I truly believe that in this crazy world where everybody is either super

conservative or super liberal, there's a huge population of us, and I know many of you

listening and that have followed me for years, who are really moderate, we're real

independence and some things we're conservative on, some things we're liberal on, but it's

hard to find someone who can argue that

sensibly and not crazy. Okay? So Jeremy Lerman is a getting his PhD in economics at George

Mason University, and he's here today to talk about college loan debt. Is college even worth it?

And you're probably like me. It took me nearly 15 years to pay off college

loan debt. It was insane. And that was even with the help of my mom and my father who had passed away.

So I'll tell you my story. But we also discuss the college loan bubble. It seems like it is the

next housing bubble that's going to burst.

So take a listen.

I think you'll enjoy today's episode.

The college loan debt bubble.

Jeremy Lerman is back on the Hey Frisch podcast.

You are always a treat to have on this podcast.

You are getting your PhD in Econ. I have you on here because, as you said last time when you were talking about gun violence,

you have to read and be able to argue all sides. So you're our shortcut. It's almost like we're playing Super Mario. And remember how you would get like the different like codes so you could skip the lands? Oh, yeah. You allow us to skip the research and lands. You do it for us. Doing the exact opposite of what I am trying to do. Exactly.

So that's why I love having you on.

But this one was really fascinating, which I wanted to have you discuss further, because

college loan debt, and really a while ago, I ended up paying off college loan debt with

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