Hi, I'm Stage and Stages Lin Manuel Miranda, and you're listening to The Hamilcast.

Butts and cuts and, and boots and... Hello hello hello

welcome back to the hamelcast I'mian. You're listening to my second episode with

Alex Horwitz, the director of Hamilton's America, but you might know it as the

Hamill dock. Definitely listen to episode 233 if you haven't already.

I know I say it every week but I promise you'll want to be caught up with these

apps. Last week's episode covers how the Hamildock came to be, Alex's long history

with Lynn and the cabinet, and arguably most importantly we talk about how

amazing Joanne Freeman is. And as far as I'm concerned that alone is

unmissible. But if you're all set let's go. I'll see you on the other side of the

pod.

Hearing from Sea Jack and Devide these black men playing these white slave

owners who are all problematic in their own ways and you know sea jack standing in

the slave quarters and another like as as famous as

Hamilton like that asshole line from joe and Freeman to V digs and he sucks yeah

you don't have to separate these things which ever since he can have written this incredible document and several

incredible documents that we all sort of with with things that we all

believe in and he sucks you know I think those are both true and those have to be both true. I think we really have to stop

separating them because that's where you get into trouble. That's when you stop letting people be whole people.

I disagree politically with a lot of

rappers that I listen to, you know what I'm saying? There's like sort of

rampant misogyny and homophobia and a lot of rap music. That doesn't make them less

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