This is the Untold Italy travel podcast and you are listening to episode number 232.

Ciao at all and benvenuti to Untold Italy, the travel podcast where you go to the towns and villages, mountains and lakes, hills and coastlines of Bella Italia.

Each week your host, Katie Clark, takes you on a journey in search of magical landscapes,

history, culture, wine, gelato, and of course, a whole lot of pasta.

If you're dreaming of Italy and planning future adventures there,

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Ciao, welcome and great to have you here, friends. I'm curious. Have you been to Milan? And what did you

think? I love this city and its clash of old and new Italy. It's design focus and flare and

vibe and wonderful coffee and cocktail bars. I've said it before, but I think Italy is at its most

thrilling best when you see the respect for

tradition juxtapose with innovation, and you definitely find that in Milan.

Out of all the cities in Italy, I feel like it seems to be the most international in that

there's a mix of cultures and exciting innovations and more a modern vibe. And it makes

an exciting contrast to some of the other Italian cities where you're steeped in Renaissance or

ancient history. So it's really wonderful to be chatting about Milan today. And I'm so thrilled to welcome onto the show a friend,

Inga DeBurr, who I met way back in 2016, I think it was, when I was writing my food travel

blog. Inga took me on a really fun food tour of Milan and introduced me to a pretty amazing

chocolate shop called Zaini that I've been dreaming of and

seeking out ever since. Imagine my excitement when my coffee came with a perfectly wrapped square

of Zanee chocolate one of the days that we spent in the Dolomites last year. I was so excited.

Ingear and I reconnected recently and it was so great to catch up with her and hear all about what

she's been up to, including contributing to a fun online city game and writing guidebooks.

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