#2319 - Rick Doblin

The Joe Rogan Experience

Joe Rogan

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4.6 • 228.6K Ratings

🗓️ 9 May 2025

⏱️ 135 minutes

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Rick Doblin, Ph.D., is the founder and president of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), a nonprofit established in 1986 to advance evidence-based psychedelic therapy and end prohibition. MAPS incubated Lykos Therapeutics (formerly MAPS Public Benefit Corporation) which is leading drug development of MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD. Learn more about Psychedelic Science 2025, June 16–20 at the Colorado Convention Center in Denver, at www.psychedelicscience.org, and visit www.maps.org for information on MAPS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Joe Rogan podcast checking out.
0:04.0	The Joe Rogan Experience.
0:06.1	Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night all day.
0:12.1	Quick job.
0:13.0	What a turn to do that.
0:14.2	This is absolutely incredible, Joe.
0:16.5	Absolutely.
0:17.5	A series of unexpected things of led to this day.
0:20.5	So you were supposed to do Duncan's podcast, and then Duncan and I got on the phone, and he was saying, you know, trying to move tickets for the psychedelic event.
0:28.1	Yeah.
0:28.3	And then Duncan said, you know, hey man, you can have him on your show.
0:32.8	And I said, well, why don't you come on too? It would be really fun.
0:35.9	Then this morning, Duncan has a
0:37.6	root canal, like an unexpected emergency root canal. So it was just a crazy turn of events,
0:44.5	and fortunately, you're here. Yeah, I just came in from Ukraine, actually. Oh, wow. Yeah.
0:50.8	Ooh, what we doing over there? Training therapists and psychiatrists. Wow. So Ukraine has
0:56.2	enormous amounts of trauma. And so what I'm trying to do is to go to high trauma areas and try to
1:05.4	talk about MDMA assisted therapy and how that could be helpful. What is the legality of it over there?
1:11.7	Well, right now it's illegal. They have these terrible laws left over from when Russia was in control, and you cannot
1:17.9	even do research with Schedule I drugs. Wow. Not with psilocybin, not with MDMA. You can't even do
1:23.7	research. But over the last couple of years, there's been a lot of efforts by their
1:27.7	military, by other people, to change that because they're aware that they have so much enormous
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