This is Jocco podcast number 231 with Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening.

Also joining us tonight once again is Dave Burke. Good evening, Dave. Good evening.

So last podcast

was with Dan Patterson. If you haven't listened to that, he was the first officer in charge of the top gun

weapons school in the Navy.

It's a great podcast. It was awesome to have him on there. As I heard him talking the entire time,

as I read his book, which is also called Top Gun, an American story, the thing about

Top Gun is that it's not just a school for fighter jet pilots to go to.

There is a fought pattern. There is a mentality. There is an attitude. And this is not the attitude

of, you know, that, and it really, we barely even talked about the movie Top Gun on the podcast with him.

And that's because in my mind, I could barely connect the two. I could barely connect the reality

of that original Top Gun school with the attitudes. Look, there's some on the Venn diagram.

There's some, there's some overlap, of course. But we're not talking about the arrogant jet jockey.

We're talking about the attitude of trying to improve, trying to learn, and trying to win.

And there is a giant overlap. The biggest overlap that I found, the largest overlap in the Venn

diagrams in my brain is, well, it's my kind of fundamental core fought pattern, which is

extreme ownership. That's what it boils down to is this attitude that when you lose a dog fight,

and this was very interesting, when you lose a dog fight, you don't blame the plane,

you don't blame the other pilot, you blame yourself, you say, okay, this is my fault. Why did I lose?

And how can I win? And that's something that has possessed my life. And I see all kinds of

comparison in there. And I see the same, look, that same mentality, that ownership mentality.

It's in good seals. It's in, it's in a good Jiu-Jitsu school. It's in a good business. It's in a good

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