Marshall and Saga here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. We are back to publishing the first episode of the week on Tuesday.

This is a great episode. We have David Sachs of the All In podcast joining me and Saga to talk about his thoughts on foreign policy realism.

David spoke at a conference called Up from Chaos and serving American security. It was put on by the American conservative and the American moment.

Saga also spoke there as a panelist as well. So this is an episode where we're interviewing David about realism, restraint, those topics, a note which people who listen to the Ukraine series that we just completed last week.

Definitely wanted to hear a bit more from. Once again, I can't recommend David enough. He's a major venture capitalist, but also he's a very entertaining speaker and co-host of the All In.

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David Sacks, welcome back to the realignment. Great to be with you. Yeah, it's good to see you. So we actually spoke at both spoke at this conference up from chaos here in Washington, D.C.

Part of the reason I wanted to do this episode, I was in the backstage area while you were giving your speech. And I thought it was a really important one, especially from somebody coming from Silicon Valley to come and address this DC based audience.

So I thought we might start out with the James Stockdale quote that you had within your speech. First of all, tell us the quote, then explain the reference for some of the younger viewers.

And generally how it sticks with your own experience in Silicon Valley and why you wanted people to take away from it.

Yeah, the stockdale quote is who who am I and why am I here? And that was a famous moment from the vice presidential debate in 1992.

Stockdale had been picked by Ross Perot to be his running mate. And by this point, I think in that election, it was pretty clear pro wasn't going to win.

But he was up on stage there, wedge between Dan Quail and Al Gore. And so anyway, it was considered kind of a gap at the time.

I mean, I don't know if I'm dating myself with this reference, obviously, I am. But I remember very clearly, anyway, it was a self deprecating reference to the fact that I'm not some foreign policy expert.

I'm somebody who's arrived at my views by consuming a lot of this content and watching what the so-called experts are saying on TV and social media.

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