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2309: From Smallville to NXIVM: The Psychology Behind Allison Mack

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Javier Leiva

True Crime, Society & Culture, Technology

4.72.2K Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Smallville's Allison Mack is out of prison, and she's finally talking. What was NXIVM, and how did Allison Mack become a high-ranking member?NXIVM was a self-help organization that sold leadership training and personal development courses. Beneath the surface, it operated as a coercive group led by Keith Raniere, using control tactics like starvation diets, sleep deprivation, emotional manipulation, and eventually a secret “master-slave” subgroup called DOS. Who is Allison Mack?Allison Mack, best known from Smallville, joined NXIVM in the mid-2000s. She rose quickly inside the group and later played a major role in recruiting and controlling women within DOS. Mack pled guilty to racketeering and served three years in federal prison for her crimes. She was released in 2023. What is this episode about?In this conversation, journalist Natalie Robehmed — host of the new CBC podcast Allison After NXIVM — explains how Allison Mack describes her journey from devoted follower to active perpetrator. We break down the psychological mechanics that made NXIVM work: obedience training, emotional conditioning, sexual manipulation, and why even smart people get pulled into systems like this. We also revisit Allison’s early life as a child actor, her abusive relationship before NXIVM, and how these patterns help explain the control she eventually exerted over others. After you listen, check out:👉 Allison After NXIVM from Uncover (CBC + Campsite Media) — Episode 1 is out now. https://open.spotify.com/show/5asD2sDYXsiUCtYi7VUO49?si=0325705c159b4f54 👉 Comic Book Central’s 2016 interview with Allison Mack — recorded before NXIVM collapsed, offering an eerie look at who she was then. https://open.spotify.com/episode/1VXZyFrQGrzwHzgU1D1Cih?si=dd94dae2332a493e Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

True Story Media

0:05.4

A few years ago, I did a series called The Business of Cults, where I looked at cults like

0:17.9

nexium and noticed that they operated more like startups rather than spiritual

0:22.9

movements. If you don't remember, Nexium started as a so-called self-improvement company

0:29.0

with seminars, live coaching, leadership training, but underneath all that was something much

0:35.4

darker. The group's leader, Keith Reneer,

0:38.7

built his secret inner circle of women

0:41.6

who were pressured into giving him, quote unquote, collateral,

0:45.5

basically black male material,

0:47.9

and becoming his sexual partners.

0:50.4

And one of his top lieutenants was actress Alison Mack.

0:55.0

You probably remember her from Smallville.

0:58.0

And Allison Mack wasn't just a follower.

1:01.0

Prosecutors say that she helped run the organization,

1:04.0

recruiting women, and even helped create a secret master slave group inside Nexium.

1:10.0

The former Smallville actress pleaded guilty to racketeering and racketeering conspiracy charges,

1:15.2

acknowledging she manipulated women into becoming sex slaves for Keith Reneery, Nexium's leader.

1:20.5

Allison Mack spent three years inside prison for her role in the cult.

1:25.2

And now she's out.

1:26.7

For the first time ever, she's finally speaking

1:29.2

publicly in a new CBC podcast called Allison after Nexium, hosted by journalist Natalie Robamed.

1:37.3

Natalie spent months with Allison, trying to understand how someone goes from being manipulated

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