#2307 Eric Ries: Why Anthropic Won and How To Build Incurruptible companies

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🗓️ 30 May 2026

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Eric Ries, who helped so many entrepreneurs build phenomenally successful businesses based on his Lean Startup philosophy, is back with a new book called Incorruptible. The book explains why some companies succeed over the long term, while others wither. I asked him to tell us the stories of the AI companies he’s worked with and studied, and talk about how he used AI help him research his book.

Eric Ries is the entrepreneur and author behind The Lean Startup, one of the most influential startup books of the last decade. He has advised founders and companies around the world on innovation, long-term thinking, and organizational design, and he also helped shape governance structures for mission-driven AI companies like Anthropic.

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0:00.0	I met the Anthropic team when they first left Open AI.
0:03.0	They were really committed to the idea that this new generative AI should be used and commercialized for the benefit of all humanity.
0:09.0	The irony of this whole situation is one of their early backers was FTX.
0:14.0	The vibe coding era is going to be remembered for a Chernobyl-style disaster, is my prediction.
0:19.0	The transformer technology that is the basis of all modern LLMs was invented at Google.
0:25.6	If you look at the co-authors of that paper, they all, every single one had to leave and do it elsewhere.
0:30.6	I know, I mean, someone sends me an AI-generated thing.
0:33.6	I always know it instantly.
0:34.6	It's always garbage.
0:35.6	Too many people are excited about using AI
0:38.5	to replace human creativity instead of augmenting it. Eric Reese, who helped so many entrepreneurs
0:44.2	build phenomenally successful businesses based on his lean startup philosophy, is back with a new
0:49.3	book called Incorruptible, where he talks about why some companies succeed, do well over the long term,
0:55.3	and others just keep dwindling. And that's what we're here to talk about today,
0:58.8	specifically related to AI startups to see what's working, what's not, and also what he's
1:04.1	building himself. Let's get into it. Presented by Zapier, the AI automation company.
1:09.6	What's Anthropics mission and how are they been able to do well because of it?
1:13.7	I met the Anthropic team when they first left Open AI.
1:17.0	And they left over a dispute with Open AI over, you know, exactly how to pursue the question
1:23.9	of AI safety.
1:25.1	So they were really committed to the idea that this new generative AI should be used and commercialized for the benefit of all humanity. And they were very worried about certain specific safety scenarios that at the time seemed like far out science fiction. I remember being like, whoa, are we really imminent? Is this imminent or is this like a lot? They were like, no, man, it's imminent. We need to be working on this right now. So they were far-sighted in caring about that stuff. And again, everyone wants to be
1:48.2	like, okay, AI safety is now a super polarized debate. And of course, I have my own opinions
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