Hey there, Freedom Fighters. My name is Andrew Warner. I'm the founder of Mixergy, where I interview

entrepreneurs about how they built their businesses. Joining me is an entrepreneur who is building an

email newsletter company. And to be honest with you, when my partner in Bootstrap Giants, Jesse,

told me about 1440 and he kept getting excited about having had them as a client, I said,

first of all, the name makes no sense

to me. And second, why are you so excited about a newsletter company? This thing has existed forever

in newsletters. It feels like since the beginning of the internet. And what he kept saying to me was

this is different. It's bigger than you realize. It's the, it's an example of what a bootstrap giant's company can be,

built sustainably, built in a way that's growing, built with with heart and clarity and not this

idea of let's raise a lot of money and try to figure something out and have a small chance

at something that would work. And so I've looked into 1440 and it's such an

interesting business. It's a fast-growing fact-focused newsletter that curates the day's most

important news. And the revenue is really exciting, but mostly the story behind how it's,

how it's been built, I think is inspiring for what's possible. And so I invited the founder, Tim Killskamp, to come on here and talk about how he's doing it.

And Tim, since I'm known for asking people their revenue, I'll start out by asking you,

what is the revenue at 1440?

First of all, thank you so much for actually awesome be here with you.

We have, we do over a million in revenue per employee, and we have 22 employees. Wow. We don't, how about this? We don't do two million revenue per employee. It's between one and two million and we have 22 employees. So I can let your, the readers do the math. It's huge. And it's profitable from what I understand. Yep, very profitable.

Several million dollars is what I think I'd read in ad week. Yep, very, yep, very much though.

No outside funding. So we did take a little bit of like revenue base financing and kind of like

debt like features early on. Actually, if you're a fan of Shark Tank, you know how Mr. Wonderful?

How is always like those royalty deals he talks about.

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