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I'm talking to John O'Nolan. That's who's a silky smooth voice you're listening to. John is the founder of Ghost. And the last time we spoke, I don't know where you were living. I think you might have still been in South Africa. It was like 2019. And now you're in Grenada, if I'm saying correctly. Yes, Grenada, southernmost islands in the Caribbean chain. So, yeah, you're like the OG digital nomad. Like you've been living this way your entire life. Everybody else is like trendy, it's like a fad. And you're like, no, no, no, you're like the OG digital nomad. Like, you've been living this way your entire life.

Everybody else is like trendy. It's like a fad. And you're like, no, no, no, this is just how I live. Like, I don't have a fixed home address and never will. What was it you were telling me about earlier this year? You told me, because I was actually going to come visit you in Grenada. And then now it's all lockdown and like my travel plans are borked but you were like sailing across the atlantic so you

weren't even necessarily incrimin But you were like sailing across the Atlantic.

So you weren't even necessarily incognito.

You're just like in the ocean.

Home address like metal of the Atlantic Ocean.

So I spent the last 10 years or so traveling by plane and then living out of Airbnb's and kind of looking around to hopefully find a country slash area where I might

eventually want to buy a house, have a bit more of a base and like various countries in

mind for a while, but none of them quite felt right. It was either complicated immigration,

complicated tax systems, complicated citizenship or like how you could and could not

stay there, or very, very expensive. And so eventually, I can change tack and thought, well,

what if I buy a house that is not fixed to any one country, but rather can go with me. So I bought a sailboat

instead of a house. And now I live on a boat. I'm talking to you right now from a boat floating in a place called Prickley Bay on the southern coast of Grenada. And yeah, this is next version of nomading for me is floating around the world rather than flying around the world. How does it feel to like sort of, I guess, take all of your possessions with you when you travel?

Because that's like what living on a boat or living out a car enables, right?

Like wherever you go, that's where you live.

You're not ever really in between living places.

One thing I really like about travel is it confronts you with a lot of challenging questions about yourself.

And for better or for worse, people find out, I think,

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