225. Hues
The Allusionist
Helen Zaltzman
4.7 • 3.8K Ratings
🗓️ 13 April 2026
⏱️ 41 minutes
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Summary
You know what's an absolutely pesky kind of word to define in a dictionary? Colour names. A passel of lexicographers spent years - decades, even - trying different ways to describe colours in words for Webster's Third International Dictionary. It was such a huge, complicated effort that it took twelve years for former Merriam-Webster lexicographer Kory Stamper to write a book about it.
Content note: this episode contains a couple of category B swears. There is also mention of puke - but, emetophobes, it's not the puke that you think.
Visit theallusionist.org/hues for more information about the topics in this episode plus a transcript of the episode. Find Kory's work at korystamper.com, including her new book True Color: the Strange and Spectacular Quest to Define Color, from Azure to Zinc.
This episode was produced by me, Helen Zaltzman, on the unceded ancestral and traditional territory of xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and səlilwətaɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations. Music and editorial advice were provided by Martin Austwick of palebirdmusic.com.
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| 0:00.0 | This is the illusionist, in which I, Helen Zaltzman, draw language like one of your French girls. |
| 0:10.6 | We're back with a returning alumginist who has been on a quest about lexicographers on a quest, |
| 0:16.4 | to define in dictionaries a pesky category of words, colours. |
| 0:21.6 | So strap on your questing packs and remember snaps. |
| 0:24.6 | Content note, this episode contains a couple of category B swears. |
| 0:29.6 | People sometimes ask me, what are these categories? |
| 0:32.6 | They are explained. |
| 0:33.6 | In episode four of this show, detonating the seabom, right down your pop feed. |
| 0:39.9 | On with the show. |
| 0:47.4 | Dictionary is historically been very bad at talking about defining colors. |
| 0:52.7 | One of my favorite color definitions comes from Samuel Johnson's 1755 Dictionary of the English Language |
| 1:00.7 | in which he defines pink as a color used by painters. |
| 1:07.5 | Which is like, sure. |
| 1:09.5 | Thanks, sir. |
| 1:10.2 | I mean, yeah. |
| 1:11.5 | It's not wrong. You're, yeah. It's not wrong. |
| 1:12.6 | You're not wrong. |
| 1:13.5 | It's just which of the colors, Sam. |
| 1:16.1 | And historically, dictionaries only included two types of color names. |
| 1:22.5 | They would include the basic colors. |
| 1:25.0 | So in English, we have 11 of those. |
| 1:29.4 | And those are the ones that you think of when you're thinking of like a fifth graders box of crayons. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, |
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