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Thinking Basketball

#223: Who *could* be the GOAT? (Part 2)

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Thinking Basketball

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4.8964 Ratings

🗓️ 14 September 2023

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

In part 2, we discuss the strengths of weaknesses of some specific players, the nature of interactions between teammates, using players optimally, and the value (and confusion) of the scoreboard family of stats. With @codyhoudek. Support at www.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball

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0:00.0

thinking basketball podcast my name is Ben welcome back it is part two of whatever we had going on last time

0:16.6

Cody if you missed it here's the idea I would say after pouring through all the evidence in NVA history. It is difficult to take a viewpoint that you know one player is clearly better than any other player to ever play at their peak and therefore you can't really make a reasonable case for a second or a third or a fourth player.

0:46.4

Now a lot of people had a reaction to that.

0:49.8

I would say more people who maybe are 30, 35 and older,

0:55.1

grew up seeing Michael Jordan play,

0:58.0

sort of got to live through the aura of that era.

1:01.4

And as someone who, you know, I I grew up with that I didn't miss a

1:04.4

bowl game for years once they created this thing called League Pass I get that I

1:09.7

get that one because as a reminder if I was forced to choose I think it's most likely

1:15.5

he had the best peak in NBA history but also the marketing and kind of like the

1:22.3

way the game felt in the 90s around him as a singular

1:26.0

brand maybe being the first athlete to achieve that level of like billion dollar international

1:31.8

brand fame that completely transcended the sport and

1:35.1

made him a household name in Asia and Africa and every nook and cranny of the globe.

1:40.9

I get that combined with the fact that he played on a team that kept winning and he made the plays at the end of the season to generate those wins and it sort of created this aura of invincibility.

1:54.0

But, but, the issue becomes, and I was trying to make this point last time and I fear it was lost.

2:03.6

If he's on a team that isn't as good,

2:06.9

we don't ever get to see those moments.

2:08.9

And so immediately it becomes harder

2:11.6

to create this idea that there is one single unstoppable force

2:15.6

that no one's challenged and if you look at things like we'll come back to

2:20.6

this now like the scoreboard

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