I do believe four rental properties that are not alligators, meaning they're not negative cash flow,

will change people's lives. If you only ever get to four, I want to shake your hand and congratulate

you. If you get to four and you want to go to 10, great. But four is enough for most people.

Think about that. One every other year for eight years gets you to four. In 10, 15, 20 years, you'll have appreciation.

You could sell one, pay off three. You can refi to do whatever you want, cash out. It's just your options get better.

Welcome to the Real Estate and Financial Independence Podcast.

I'm your host, Chad Carson.

You can also call me coach, and this is a show all about helping you get out of the financial grind, so you can do more of what matters.

Whether your brand new listener or a longtime listener is always an honor to have you back for another episode.

The title for today's episode is

one rental at a time. This is an interview with Michael Zuber. He also has a book by that same

title, has a YouTube channel as well. And Michael is a wealth of practical information.

I really enjoyed his transparency. He's someone who's achieved financial independence

through real estate investing,

which is the topic of this show. But I think what's really interesting with him is that some of the

objections and some of the challenges that a lot of you face, maybe you have a full-time job and

you're trying to invest on the side. Well, that's what Michael had to deal with with his own job,

very busy and was doing his investing 100% on the side. He also lives in California,

invested in California, has done some long-term investing as well. So those two things, I think,

are unique for those of you in high-price markets, working full-time jobs. Michael has been in

that situation and kind of shares his story in this interview. And then we get into all sorts of

practical information about his approach to real estate investing, which aligns very nicely with mine, the small and mighty real estate investor I talk a lot about. His is buying one rental at a time, not getting ahead of yourself, just taking it, you know, one step at a time. And if you put those together in the end, you can have a lot of wealth, you can have a lot of cash flow. So just a great interview. I think you're going to enjoy this if you want to hear stories and examples of how this can work for you. And also just some practical advice to make steps and make strides to buy your own properties, to build your own wealth and eventually to achieve financial independence. Now before we get to the interview, it's time for my weekly behind-the-scenes segment

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