221 - Conversations and Conversions at the Portable Planetarium

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🗓️ 12 December 2021

⏱️ 44 minutes

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In this episode we sit down with Joey Rodman (@okiespacequeen), a science educator in Oklahoma whose recent Twitter thread about using a portable planetarium to reach out to flat earthers went viral thanks to their counterintuitive advice about how to discuss science denial and conspiracy theories with people who may have never interacted with a scientist before. After years of on-the-ground, one-on-one conversations, Joey has developed a technique similar to those we've discussed on the show, including street epistemology, motivational interviewing, deep canvassing, and even the socratic method. It shares elements with all of these, but was developed in-person through conversations with people who met with Joey in their communities and home towns.Patreon: http://patreon.com/youarenotsosmart

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1:25.4	Welcome to the You Are Not So Smart Podcast episode 221.
1:35.2	Do you have an idea of what was the inciting moment where you felt like, okay, there's a better
1:57.2	way of going about this? I remember talking to this guy and he seemed more reasonable than
2:05.2	some of the other ones that come in, they they amp themselves up to kind of get the confidence
2:11.1	to approach me. And some of the ways they amp themselves up make them seem really aggressive.
2:19.5	Because they're trying to have a power struggle with me and they want to kind of win some kind of aim.
2:27.4	That's Joey Rodman, a science educator who tweets under the handle of at Okie Space Queen. That's
2:38.0	Okie Space Queen over on Twitter. My name is Joey Rodman. I am a science communicator. I own a
2:46.4	portable planetarium that I take around to public schools and community events to show people the
2:53.0	universe. My primary focus is trying to reach people who do not live near a science museum and
3:00.9	do not have access to that kind of interaction with science-minded people. I discovered Okie Space Queen
3:08.3	after a tweet about their work in Oklahoma went viral, a thread about how Joey uses a portable
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