Hi, I'm Sarah Ellis and I'm Helen Tupper and you're listening to the squiggly careers podcast where each week we chat about a different topic to do with work and share some ideas for action, tools and techniques and the odd bit of advice in the hope of helping you and to be honest us navigate the squiggly world of work we all find ourselves in.

As ever, this podcast is as much for us as it is, but hopefully some people that might listen to it.

And before we get started with today's topic, we thought we would just let you know about

another podcast that we both enjoy listening to, which is the Secret Leaders podcast.

It is particularly good if you have an interest in all

things entrepreneurial. I don't think you have to be an entrepreneur to listen to it.

I think if I, when I was at Virgin, if I had known about the podcast, I would have listened to it

then because I think it would have created lots of different ideas that I could have brought

into that business. And on the podcast, they speak to founders of

lots of different organisations like Deliveroo and Joe Malone and Monzo. And they have a really

in-depth conversation about the reality of being an entrepreneur when things work, when things

don't work. I think Dan Murray Sertre, who's one of the hosts, asks some really, really great questions

that really dives into people's experience like they're, like the practical learning,

some of the emotional insights that they get from the highs and lows of being an entrepreneur.

So yeah, we really love it and recommend it and you can find it everywhere that you find Squiggly.

If you just search for secret leaders, you will find it. And let us know if you listen and what

you think. So today, we're going to be talking about this idea of progression possibilities.

And we thought this was a useful topic to cover for a few different reasons. Firstly, we know that

the pandemic, which I can't really talk about in the past tense,

really, but the ongoing pandemic has prompted lots of people to re-evaluate how they want to

progress in their careers, what's important to them in their careers, and what that means for

what next, whether that's what's next in the next few months or whether that's what next

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