Hey there. I'm Hannah Branigan, and welcome back to another episode of drinking from the toilet.

This episode was inspired by a question from a listener,

Kama Brown, who wanted to know more about how stimulus control plays out in real life. How does

it work? What are its limits? And that's such a great topic. We talk about cues in stimulus

control all the time, maybe still not as much as we ought to, or not in the right way.

And it's a concept that I'm still really

trying to wrap my head around. It's an ongoing thing. And the first person that popped into my

mind when the topic of stimulus control came up was Kathy Sadeo, who is responsible for many of my

personal epiphanies in the area of cues and stimulus control, as well as other critical training concepts.

So I sent her an email and she graciously agreed to record a podcast with me.

Kathy is an applied animal behaviorist based in Tacoma, Washington, which happens to be where

my new mini baby donkey lives, which is probably not a coincidence.

Kathy started out on the science and research side of animal behavior, doing some really cool

stuff with dolphins and whales. And now she works with an incredibly lucky set of dogs and their

owners. She's one of my favorite speakers at Clicker Expo and APDT, and I have several of her DVDs. She also has a book

out recently called Plenty in Life is Free, which you should check out. Kathy has a way of taking

complex, potentially dry, scientific concepts and making them fun and accessible and sometimes

weirdly poetic, but always memorable and entertaining.

She also happens to be a guest star on an episode of one of our favorite family shows on Netflix,

Bill Nye, the Science Guy, where she played the role of, quote, way cool scientist.

And I think that's an appropriate label.

So it's safe to say I'm a fan,

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