21st century peaks Ep 10 | The Kings of downhill basket pressure
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🗓️ 21 September 2025
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Summary
We discuss two of the most dominant downhill penetrators in league history, and the critical ways in which they're different. First, the strengths and weaknesses of Giannis's battering ram approach and how that influences his playoff impact. Then, Dwyane Wade's unique balance between slicing through traffic and passing through traffic. Support at www.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball
Previously discussed players and their ranges:
25 Jason Kidd [21-32]
24 Jayson Tatum [20-28]
23 Dwight Howard [17-28]
22 Draymond Green [18-26]
21 Manu Ginobili [17-24]
20 James Harden [13-25]
19 Luka Doncic [12-24]
18 Tracy McGrady [10-24]
17 Anthony Davis [12-23]
16 Joel Embiid [10-23]
15 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander [7-20]
14 Dirk Nowitzki [7-19]
13 Chris Paul [6-17]
12 Steve Nash [8-19]
11 Kawhi Leonard [7-16]
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| 0:00.0 | Thinking Basketball Podcast. |
| 0:09.0 | My name is Ben. |
| 0:10.1 | Welcome back to episode 10 of the best players of the 21st century. |
| 0:17.1 | We're going through and we're talking about the best player peaks trying to pick a single |
| 0:23.1 | season for player peaks and figure out like who's really good at basketball but i think more importantly |
| 0:28.2 | why why are they good at basketball and this is really just a an excuse to smuggle in a lot of |
| 0:33.8 | concepts about what makes basketball players really successful and offenses and |
| 0:38.8 | defenses really successful and, uh, you know, going beyond the box score. And we're going to, |
| 0:43.3 | we're going to talk about going beyond the box score today quite a bit. I have something I |
| 0:48.2 | would like to level set with to start with. But before we jump in, do you have any, |
| 0:52.4 | do you have anything that you would like to say before we go crazy? |
| 0:55.2 | Yeah, actually, |
| 0:55.8 | I think with us, |
| 0:56.9 | we're in the solidly in the top 10 now. Like these are some of the best peaks we've seen in the 21st century. I think what gets really weird is a lot of some of the earlier episodes we get very celebratory. We're introducing a bunch of people. and we'll bring up some criticisms and whatnot. |
| 1:09.8 | But I feel like once you get to the top, |
| 1:11.9 | when you're trying to like really like inch out |
| 1:14.8 | who beats out whom, uh, it feels like you have to nitpick some of these really, really good |
| 1:20.0 | players a lot more. |
| 1:20.9 | So it's, it's a tough, it's a tough, what do I want to say? |
| 1:24.3 | Needlehead. |
| 1:25.1 | Yeah. |
| 1:25.3 | To fly through because I feel like we're about to be really critical of some things. But at the end of the day, this is like the eighth best player of the 21st century. You know what I mean? So that's like where my headspace is right now. It's like the closer a student gets to an A, the more hardcore I'm going to be in, like, leaving feedback on the paper. |
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