Welcome to the Counseling Tutor podcast, the must listen to podcast for students of

counseling and psychotherapy. Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

Hi, I'm Rory, and with me as always is Ken. How are you doing, Ken? I'm well. Thank you for asking Rory

and both Rory and I hope that you are well as our listener. You're tuning in to episode

216 of the counselling tutor podcast and today we have three different topics. We're going to

start off by visiting those counselling foundations, the important foundations that underpin our practice as counsellors. And today we're going to start off by visiting those counseling foundations, the important

foundations that underpin our practice as counsellors. And today we're going to be examining

the skill of challenge. Challenging. Then we're going to focus on self, which recognizes that

we are the heart of our practice. And we're going to be looking at what we do when friends or acquaintances find out that

we're a counselor and they go, oh, I've got a problem.

Let me tell you what it is to see how you can help me.

And then we're going to be ending today's episode with practice matters and an interesting

interview held with Joe Mountain on insurance for

counsellors and psychotherapists. So a packed episode is this 216th episode. And we're starting

off Rory with the challenge of the skill of challenge. I see what you did there, Ken.

Very good.

And yeah, it's an interesting, it's an interesting skill.

And I'm going to be honest, I think it's a skill that some practitioners,

certainly students find a bit challenging.

I know I've said it.

I've said it because it feels, it can feel so incongruous.

You know, when we're, when, you know, initially we talked about, you know, the necessary

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