Hey everyone, quick announcement. If you're in the Boston area or if you have some free time on your hands and a hot air balloon or other mode of conveyance,

I'll be speaking on Saturday, October 12 at soundeducation.fm, an educational audio conference at Harvard.

My talk is called Beyond the Spirit of the Staircase, Learning as Play, Play as Learning. And in the

spirit of Think Again, there's plenty of time afterward for a conversation. Sound education

starts next Wednesday, the 9th of October, and it's full of amazing leaders in thought-provoking

audio from shows that there's a good chance you're already listening to. Soundeducation.fm

from October 9th to 12th.

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Hi there. I'm Jason Gatz, and you're listening to Think Again, a Big Think podcast.

In the past half century or so, feminism has had its hands plenty full, dealing with the abuse and inequality, women suffer at the hands of horribly behaved men and the systems they build.

Too full to worry much about what the hell is going on inside those men and why.

And there are powerful arguments to be made for the fact that it is not

women's responsibility to help men figure out how not to be monsters. But I've noticed an interesting

shift in the discourse lately. In the wake of the Me Too movement, things happen fast these days. That

blew up at scale in 2017. Some of the threads of the public conversation have turned toward

what my guest today might talk about

in terms of the gender ecosystem. The ways that ideas about gender shape our identities and

behavior and the fact that those behaviors impact everyone in society for better and worse.

Regardless of whose responsibility it is to solve these problems, the question of where masculinity

goes from here should matter to everyone. My guest today is journalist, of whose responsibility it is to solve these problems, the question of where masculinity goes

from here should matter to everyone.

My guest today is journalist and cultural critic Liz Plank.

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