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Hey guys, hope you are all doing well. We have Ryan Holiday with us, the author of one of my favorite books that I find myself

picking up all the time and re-referencing, Stillness is the key.

He's back on the show. He first appeared in December in

episode 166 you'll definitely want to check that episode out. But you know as I

mentioned as we all grapple with uncertainty and the fear that comes along with it

I just find myself continually reaching for stillness is the key so it's great to have

Ryan back with us Ryan welcome.

Yeah, thank you. Quite a lot has happened and changed since we saw the old world.

The old world. So how do we use this time of uncertainty, this time of chaos, if you will, to reflect and really use this time for personal and professional growth?

Yeah, I mean, look, obviously a lot has happened and most of it is sort of very, very negative

and very depressing and sad, right? People have been wiped out, people have lost their job, you know, there are people who listening who might be in both of those camps. And so when I think about that, I don't want to be flipping and say like,

oh, okay, like look, this, the good news is like I did learn how to play guitar,

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