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🗓️ 4 August 2020
⏱️ 134 minutes
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In this episode the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They discuss how misleading the concept of “child pornography” is, the failure of governments and tech companies to grapple with the problem, the tradeoff between online privacy and protecting children, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, photo DNA, the roles played by specific tech companies, the ethics of encryption, “sextortion,” the culture of pedophiles, and other topics.
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0:00.0 | Welcome to the Making Sense podcast. |
0:23.9 | This is Sam Harris. |
0:25.9 | Okay, the long awaited episode on the most depressing topic on earth. |
0:32.6 | Child sexual abuse, otherwise known as child pornography, in the form of its public consumption. |
0:40.4 | As many of you know, I've delayed the release of this episode for several months. |
0:45.0 | It just never seemed like the right time to drop it. |
0:50.6 | One is the right time to talk about this, really. |
0:54.1 | In the tech space, it was probably 20 years ago. |
0:58.0 | Anyway, this is an episode that many of you will find difficult to listen to, understandably. |
1:07.5 | If you work in tech, I think you have a moral responsibility to listen to it. |
1:13.2 | If you work at a company like Facebook or AWS or Dropbox or Zoom or any company that facilitates |
1:22.9 | the spread of so-called child pornography, you really have a responsibility to listen |
1:30.6 | to this conversation and figure out how you can help solve this problem. |
1:37.0 | As you'll hear, we've gone from a world where pedophiles were exchanging polaroids in parking |
1:43.0 | lots to a world in which there is an absolute deluge of imagery that provides a photographic |
1:51.4 | and increasingly video record of the rape of children. |
1:58.0 | And as you'll hear, the tech companies have been terrible at addressing this problem. |
2:03.4 | And law enforcement is completely under-resourced and ineffectual here. |
2:09.4 | Now, as I said, I recorded this conversation some months ago. |
2:13.9 | As an indication of how long ago, when Zoom came up in the conversation, I felt the need |
2:18.8 | to define it as a video conferencing tool used by businesses. |
2:23.6 | I've since cut that. |
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