Welcome to the Counseling Tutor podcast, the must listen to podcast for students of

counseling and psychotherapy. Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

Hi, I'm Rory, and with me as always is Ken. How are you doing, Ken?

I'm well, thank you, Rory. Thank you very much for

asking. And thank you for joining us on the counselling tutor podcast. This is episode 213, lucky for some.

And we're going to be covering three different topics today. And we're going to be starting off

with counselling foundations. And that's when we look and recognize that the foundations that we kind of build our

practice on are the strength of our practice. And today we're going to be speaking about relational

depth. So it doesn't matter what level you are, you can be in training or you can have been

qualified for 25 years. This is a topic

that will interest you. Then we're going to focus on self. That's our second area today. And in

focus on self, we look at you as being the heart of your practice. We as practitioners, we need to

look after ourselves to be able to be there for others. And today we're going to be talking about failure. And this can be failure as a student. Maybe you have an assignment referred, but kind of what failure, even if you're a qualified practitioner and you face some kind of failure in your life or feel a failure in your practice, what does that look like? How do we deal with that? Because it does

come up. And then we go into practice matters where we dip our toe into the world of practice

and we look an element of practice or something we might see in our therapy room. And today,

we're going to be speaking about role play games in therapy. So there's an interesting one. And

we had Daniel Hand, who did a lecture for us,

I do believe Rory, and who you met up with. And we've got an interview. So from an expert,

we're going to be learning about role play in therapy. So episode 213, here we are. And it's a

little bit different. And the reason it's different, if you

listen to our podcast on a regular basis, you'll notice that the podcast goes into your ears. But

prior to kind of starting the podcast this morning, Rory, I actually combed my beard. And the reason

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