Hello, Wienamers. My name is Jesse Meekham and this is podcast number 213 for why now

where we teach you four rules to help you stop living paycheck to paycheck get out of

debt and save more money today I want to cut quickly to my interview with Adam Carroll. He is a

student loan expert, an entrepreneur, and he was a lot of fun to interview so I'm

going to cut over to that interview and I hope you enjoy.

Okay I am on the line with Adam Carroll. Adam is a I don't know I I'm if I should say

professional student loan I mean how what would I say?

You know, you've been doing so much in that regard,

but kind of tell me how you see yourself

in the fight against student loans,

it's probably an apt way to put in.

Yeah, someone once online, it was an article that I saw and they referred to me as

one of this country's student loan debt experts, one of the top experts in student loan debt. And I don't know how you

become an expert in student loan debt other than hearing a whole bunch of

stories and trying to help people out of that situation. But that's kind of my

that's kind of my mission in life.

Jesse helped students graduate with less debt and pursue freedom, whatever that looks like to them.

Yeah.

And you, I mean, you were, I feel like you were a little bit ahead of your time because your

book that was winning the money game, but that was, I mean, when did you release that like a decade ago?

Yeah, the initial book was released in 2005. We've had numerous reprints. I think the book is sold 30,000 copies or

something like that which is pretty good for a a bathroom read that's what I call

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