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Writing Excuses

21.17: The Up and Down Escalators

Writing Excuses

Mary Robinette Kowal, DongWon Song, Erin Roberts, Dan Wells, and Howard Tayler

Business, Careers, Fiction

4.6 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2026

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Today we zoom out from moment-to-moment tension and look at how escalation and de-escalation shape a story at the structural level—how raising stakes, lowering pressure, and shifting focus can control pacing, reader emotion, and narrative momentum. Our hosts explore what happens when stakes escalate too quickly (and lose meaning), and how de-escalation can be used intentionally through humor, distraction, or shifting perspective. From miscommunication tropes to scene transitions to avoiding “pointless up-and-down” detours, we offer practical ways to keep your readers engaged while guiding them smoothly between emotional highs and lows. Homework: Map the major beats of your work-in-progress and label each one as either an escalation or a de-escalation across your plot lines. Then review that map to identify any “pointless up-and-down” moments—places where tension drops without purpose or without a corresponding rise elsewhere—and revise so that every shift either advances stakes, deepens character, or introduces a new layer of tension. Final WXR Cruise! Our final WXR cruise sets sail for Alaska in September 2026—get your tickets here! Credits: Your hosts for this episode were Mary Robinette Kowal, Howard Tayler, Erin Roberts, and DongWon Song. It was produced by Emma Reynolds, recorded by Marshall Carr, Jr., and mastered by Alex Jackson. Join Our Writing Community! Writing Retreats Newsletter Patreon Instagram Threads Bluesky TikTok YouTube Facebook Our Sponsors: * Check out HomeServe and use my code homeserve.com/excuses for a great deal: https://www.homeserve.com * Check out Talkiatry and use my code Talkiatry.com/WX for a great deal: https://www.talkiatry.com Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/writing-excuses2130/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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0:00.0

This episode of writing excuses has been brought to you by our listeners, patrons, and friends.

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If you would like to learn how to support this podcast, visit www.com

0:11.8

slash writing excuses.

0:15.2

Season 21, episode 17.

0:19.3

This is writing excuses.

0:22.5

The up and down escalators.

0:24.8

Tools, not rules.

0:26.5

Four writers.

0:27.3

By writers.

0:28.2

I'm Mary Robinette.

0:29.3

I'm Don Lon.

0:30.0

I'm Aaron.

0:30.9

And I'm Howard.

0:32.2

This week, we're going to sort of continue a conversation about tension and release

0:37.1

from last week, but shift it a little bit and sort of continue a conversation about tension and release from last week,

0:37.9

but shift it a little bit and sort of zoom out from the sort of micro building and releasing

0:43.8

of tension. And instead, talk about how you're using tension and your, well, intentionality in the

0:50.3

story, right? And that is about creating a feeling of escalation

0:54.6

and then when you want to move that into a de-escalation.

0:57.9

So instead of thinking about the individual moments

1:00.9

of tension and resolution, this is more about what,

1:04.3

on a meta level, where are you using tension in your story?

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