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Writing Excuses

21.03: Deconstructing Plots

Writing Excuses

Mary Robinette Kowal, DongWon Song, Erin Roberts, Dan Wells, and Howard Tayler

Business, Careers, Fiction

4.61.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 January 2026

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Plot isn’t a set of commandments—it’s a collection of patterns we’ve learned to recognize. This episode kicks off the season’s deep dive into deconstructing plots, asking what different story structures are really doing beneath the surface and why they work (or don’t). Our hosts unpack plot as a toolbox rather than a formula, exploring action plots vs. emotion plots, Western vs. non-Western structures, and how audience expectations shape everything from middles to endings. This conversation reframes plot as a way to pull readers through a story—not to box writers in. Homework: Pick a story you enjoy and gently reverse-engineer it. Go scene by scene and label each one simply as “good thing happened” or “bad thing happened.” Look for patterns you didn’t realize were there. ANNOUNCEMENTS: 2/15 Cruise Prices Increase The final WXR cruise* sets sail for Alaska in September 2026—get your tickets now before prices increase on February 15th! Credits: Your hosts for this episode were Erin Roberts, DongWon Song, and Mary Robinette Kowal. It was produced by Emma Reynolds, recorded by Marshall Carr, Jr., and mastered by Alex Jackson. Join Our Writing Community! Writing Retreats Newsletter Patreon Instagram Threads Bluesky TikTok YouTube Facebook Our Sponsors: * Check out HomeServe and use my code homeserve.com/excuses for a great deal: https://www.homeserve.com * Check out Talkiatry and use my code Talkiatry.com/WX for a great deal: https://www.talkiatry.com Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/writing-excuses2130/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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0:00.0

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0:05.6

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0:11.8

slash writing excuses.

0:15.5

Season 21, episode 3.

0:19.6

This is writing excuses.

0:22.2

Deconstructing plots.

0:23.7

I'm Mary Robinette.

0:24.8

I'm Don Juan.

0:25.5

I'm Erin.

0:26.8

And we are going to be talking about the other big thread that we're going to be running through the whole year.

0:32.9

So deconstructing plots.

0:35.2

What does that even mean?

0:45.0

There's this thing that you'll see with food where this is a deconstructing plots. What does that even mean? There's this thing that you'll see with food where they're like, this is a deconstructed peanut butter sandwich where they get into like what the essence of things are.

0:49.8

So I've been thinking a lot about like what the salt, fat, acid heat of plot structure is.

1:02.5

And what we're going to be doing this year is we are going to be digging into a bunch of different plot structures, looking at why they work, and then looking at the individual components of things that go into story.

1:10.3

So, because, I mean, there are so many plot structures out there, but, you know, flashing back to our lower metaphors, they're just recipes.

1:14.3

So what are the underlying principles that they all have in common that lead us to things like the inciting incident or the dark night of the soul?

1:20.7

Like, what are those things?

1:22.6

I'm really excited for this season, and as soon as you pitched it, I was like very in on it. And I'm in on it

1:28.8

for a contrary reason because I don't really believe in plot structure. And so, you know,

1:36.6

I think there's a thing about doing this podcast and about teaching, which is whenever I'm asked

1:42.6

to teach a class or we're talking about the seasons, I love doing it about something I don't really understand, which is whenever I'm asked to teach a class or we're talking about the seasons, I love doing it

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