21.03: Deconstructing Plots
Writing Excuses
Mary Robinette Kowal, DongWon Song, Erin Roberts, Dan Wells, and Howard Tayler
4.6 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 18 January 2026
⏱️ 21 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | This episode of writing excuses has been brought to you by our listeners, patrons, and friends. |
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| 0:11.8 | slash writing excuses. |
| 0:15.5 | Season 21, episode 3. |
| 0:19.6 | This is writing excuses. |
| 0:22.2 | Deconstructing plots. |
| 0:23.7 | I'm Mary Robinette. |
| 0:24.8 | I'm Don Juan. |
| 0:25.5 | I'm Erin. |
| 0:26.8 | And we are going to be talking about the other big thread that we're going to be running through the whole year. |
| 0:32.9 | So deconstructing plots. |
| 0:35.2 | What does that even mean? |
| 0:45.0 | There's this thing that you'll see with food where this is a deconstructing plots. What does that even mean? There's this thing that you'll see with food where they're like, this is a deconstructed peanut butter sandwich where they get into like what the essence of things are. |
| 0:49.8 | So I've been thinking a lot about like what the salt, fat, acid heat of plot structure is. |
| 1:02.5 | And what we're going to be doing this year is we are going to be digging into a bunch of different plot structures, looking at why they work, and then looking at the individual components of things that go into story. |
| 1:10.3 | So, because, I mean, there are so many plot structures out there, but, you know, flashing back to our lower metaphors, they're just recipes. |
| 1:14.3 | So what are the underlying principles that they all have in common that lead us to things like the inciting incident or the dark night of the soul? |
| 1:20.7 | Like, what are those things? |
| 1:22.6 | I'm really excited for this season, and as soon as you pitched it, I was like very in on it. And I'm in on it |
| 1:28.8 | for a contrary reason because I don't really believe in plot structure. And so, you know, |
| 1:36.6 | I think there's a thing about doing this podcast and about teaching, which is whenever I'm asked |
| 1:42.6 | to teach a class or we're talking about the seasons, I love doing it about something I don't really understand, which is whenever I'm asked to teach a class or we're talking about the seasons, I love doing it |
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