Very surprising how good the mouse is still is.

In AI, we're going to see increasing numbers of specialized AIs to do different things.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

On Design Matters, Debbie talks with some of the most creative people in the world about what they with Debbie Millman.

On Design Matters, Debbie talks with some of the most creative people in the world about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, in celebration of the 20th anniversary of Design Matters, we'll hear from some of the tech pioneers Debbie has interviewed over the years.

Our computer science programs seldom contain ethics. You know, that's, like, fascinating at any point.

I began this podcast 20 years ago. 25 years ago, there was no such thing as a podcast. The technology simply wasn't

there yet, or at least no one had yet thought to connect audio to an RSS feed. The world we're

living in today is built on technologies that are changing so fast that it can be hard to keep up.

Fortunately, over the years, I've had a chance to talk

and make some sense of it all with a number of tech pioneers, people who have extended our

use with and understanding of technologies in new and innovative ways. On this episode, I'm going to

play excerpts from interviews with some of those

Mavericks. In many ways, the show today will feel a bit like a time capsule, given how much

things have changed since I've had some of these conversations. But it's also amazing to hear how

much they still got right about the future that we're now living in.

Bill Moggridge helped invent the laptop, and he co-founded IDEO, the design consultancy

that centered the idea of user-centered design. I interviewed Bill in 2010.

Would it be true to say then that your fascination with what people want from everyday things is true?

Yeah, I think that's right.

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