209. How to Make Betrayal Beautiful with Maggie Smith

We Can Do Hard Things

Treat Media and Glennon Doyle

Relationships, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.8 • 42.7K Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2023

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

For the first time, Glennon requests a one-on-one with our guest – author and poet Maggie Smith – in this deeply honest conversation about: how to tell the brutal truth without betraying our people, how to reclaim ourselves after infidelity and betrayal, how the shaming of women who dare to tell their stories keeps us powerless and isolated, and how they both have embraced acceptance instead of “forgiveness.” About Maggie: Maggie Smith is the award-winning author of You Could Make This Place Beautiful, Good Bones, The Well Speaks of Its Own Poison, Lamp of the Body, and the national bestsellers Goldenrod and Keep Moving: Notes on Loss, Creativity, and Change. A 2011 recipient of a Creative Writing Fellowship from the National Endowment for the Arts, two Academy of American Poets Prizes, a Pushcart Prize, and fellowships from the Sustainable Arts Foundation and the Virginia Center for the Creative Arts. TW: @maggiesmithpoet IG: @maggiesmithpoet

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0:00.0	And through the joy and pain that our lives bring, we can do a heartache.
0:16.0	Welcome to We Can Do Hard Things. Today we have the Maggie Smith.
0:21.0	Maggie Smith is the award-winning author of You Could Make This Place Beautiful.
0:26.0	Good bones. The well speaks of its own poison.
0:30.0	Lamp of the body and the National Best Sellers, Golden Rod and Keep Moving.
0:35.0	Notes on loss, creativity and change.
0:38.0	A 2011 recipient of a creative writing fellowship from the National Endowment for the Arts,
0:44.0	to Academy of American Poets Prizes, a push-cart prize, and fellowships from the Sustainable Arts Foundation
0:51.0	and the Virginia Center for the Creative Arts.
0:55.0	Maggie Smith Poet. How are you?
1:00.0	I'm doing well. It's good to see you.
1:03.0	You two, have we ever spoken to each other face to face because I've read your work for so long
1:08.0	that I feel like I know you, but this is our first time, huh?
1:11.0	Same. Yeah. We've just been sort of communicating via our books and the internet.
1:18.0	Yeah. Yeah.
1:20.0	The Pod Squad should know this is an unusual day because I have requested from my team to have a conversation
1:28.0	with Maggie by myself.
1:31.0	And the reason for that Maggie is the minute I finished your new book.
1:39.0	You could make this place beautiful.
1:42.0	I knew I just wanted an hour with you by myself because the book is so beautiful.
1:50.0	It's so honest and so deep and searing and I personally related to every single page.
2:04.0	The reason I wanted to talk to you alone is because I felt as I read your fierce commitment to truth
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