Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary. This week I spoke with Luke Kemp.

Luke is a research associate for the centre of the study of existential risk at Cambridge University.

That's right. He holds a PhD in international relations from the Australian National University

and was previously a senior economist at Vivid Economics. Why are you looking at me like that?

I'm thinking I'm just thinking I do a diaper.

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And in this conversation right now with Luke Kemp, you are going to learn how emergency powers

throughout history have been used to control people. Obviously, we don't talk particularly or

specifically about the current emergency powers that are being introduced, just how historically

emergency powers can lead to tyranny. Luke Kemp seems like a pretty, I'm guessing he's an anarchist.

So, how have I a little listened to this? Wait, what? Because he was good looking.

Because he was good looking. Well, I did say it again and again.

Have a listen to me and this good looking man talk.

Trying to achieve equality with the annihilation of category is not successful.

That's exactly right. We're in this era where it turns out we were never the bus.

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