It's still that pressure people are experiencing to pick aside. That is still the running theme. Pick aside. Show us your position. show us your goodness and even those that are trying to take a very balanced approach

I even remember one of a post that you shared very soon after the initial attacks that happened and it was a very beautiful, thoughtful, balanced perspective, inviting people to sort of not have this reactionary approach and make a big decision and take a stance that wasn't

fully acknowledging just how layered and complex all of this is.

And I saw the people banking you for it, but I also saw the massive pushback.

I think I even sent you a text after that because that became the trend

where even those that were courageous enough to share something that was balanced,

acknowledging that third perspective, right? That it's not as simple as an either-all,

it's not as simple as a good or evil wrong or right they were severely punished for it and I saw a lot of them

deciding to censor themselves from that very moment on or maybe deciding that actually

it's just not worth it to even try to be

balanced to even try to have common sense and I get that I really understand that so

I appreciate that we're having this conversation not necessarily at the time when all of this

originally happened but at a time where we can look at it a little bit from a

distance because we're still very much in it but I think it's so in line with what I'm trying to do with the idea of the third

perspective, just this invitation to remember and to try and see that things are never as simple as we are made to believe they are,

that you don't have to prove your goodness just because of the demands of other people.

Hey friend, welcome back to the Light Watkins show.

I'm Light Watkins and I have conversations with ordinary folks just like you and me who've taken extraordinary leaps of faith in the direction of their path, their purpose, or what they've identified as their mission in life, in doing so they've been able to positively impact

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The goal of these conversations is to expose you to as many people as possible who found their path and to

humanize them and after hearing story after story hopefully eventually you give yourself permission to move further in the direction of

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