Ultra running. The number one shoe on the trail really

got the number one shoe. Is that empirical data or subjective data from your

observation? Well, I mean, just if you just get out on the trail for any length of

time and you just start counting shoes like I did using the tally system, you'll

find that the ultra is the most popular shoe. So subjective. Yeah, subjective. You

know, we were we were just up at Tahoe 200. That's what this podcast that we're

going to be doing here in a few minutes is about. And I saw a lot of altars up

there. And it looks like it's, you know, especially when you're running 200 miles,

you want to have those toes feel unhappy and happy. What they need space. And I was

running that with someone that said, I'm getting some blisters between my toes.

And yes, he was using enginges, but he had a narrow shoe. And it's like that

the other the other two runners I was with. He said, well, no kidding. Your your

feet are smushed together with those narrow shoes. It doesn't matter if you

have enginges on you have to have room for your feet. And we actually on this

podcast, we have a guest host with us today, a guest host from Ireland by way of

London. Yes. And she was just telling us before we started this little ad that

she just bought a pair of altars. Well, we've seen so many people wearing them on

the on the race. And I want to do the race next year. So I usually run in

innovates. And I like them because they got a really wide toe box. Right. And I

have tried the hookers, but the hookers are really narrow. So when we seen all

these guys went altars. And because I was at the A stations, I had some time.

I was grilling all the questions. You were doing your own tally system.

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