204 - John Vervaeke - Collective Intelligence: Angels in Scientific Terms

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

4.8 • 824 Ratings

🗓️ 30 November 2021

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

John Vervaeke, PhD, is an award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto in the departments of psychology, cognitive science and Buddhist psychology. This conversation between us happened in the wake of the Four Horsemen of Meaning discussion we had that also included Jordan Peterson and Bishop Barron (linked below). We continue the discussion, trying to bridge my symbolic worldview with John Vervaeke’s background in cognitive science and psychology. We discussion the way attention creates the world, the internet, the meaning of sacrifice and prophesy, transformation and synergy, collective attention and ultimately asking the question: do angels actually exist? Enjoy! - The 4 Horsemen of Meaning discussion with Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, Bishop Barron and Jonathan Pageau: https://youtu.be/FCvQsqSCWjA - John’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/johnvervaeke - Awakening from the Meaning Crisis playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ - John’s discussion with Jordan Peterson: A Conversation so Intense It Might as Well Be Psychedelic | John Vervaeke | The JBP Podcast | S4 E34: https://youtu.be/DLg2Q0daphE ================================== Original video: https://youtu.be/Y9ZaFNIH0co Support this podcast: Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/support/ Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos Subscribestar: https://www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau Paypal: http://www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau Join the conversation: Unofficial Facebook discussion group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1989208418065298/ The Symbolic World Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSymbolicWorld/ Social media links: Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau

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0:00.0	So hello everybody. I am here with John Vervakey. Many of you, most of you, I pretty much
0:04.7	everybody who's watching this will have seen a video with me and John Vervakey before. And also
0:09.6	John had a discussion with Jordan Peterson a few months ago. And that discussion, in that
0:16.0	discussion, many things came up that were related to also John and I's discussion and then
0:20.4	Jordan and I's discussion and then Jordan and I's
0:21.2	discussion. And so Jordan, someone in the group had the idea of doing something with me. And then
0:26.8	that added Bishop Barron on top. And so a few weeks ago, we had a discussion with Bish and
0:32.6	Barron, which is going to be online. I'll link it to the description. Many of you may even have
0:36.8	seen it.
0:43.0	And it was a very interesting discussion, one which at first kind of tried to find its way.
0:48.9	And then suddenly we really felt like it just kind of took off. And many interesting things were said.
0:54.9	So John and I thought it would be a good idea to kind of dive back into the things that we talked about and explore them even more. So, John, thanks for coming.
0:57.0	This is Jonathan Pajot. Welcome to the symbolic world.
1:13.6	It's a great pleasure, Jonathan, and it was my idea, by the way, to include you.
1:26.6	That's very kind of you.
1:28.9	Well, no, because, well, friendship was part of it,
1:32.0	but the other part of it was,
1:33.6	you were very much a ghostly presence
1:35.7	in the conversation I had with Jordan.
1:37.9	And I felt it was unfair, ultimately,
1:40.0	to not allow you to actually be present and be involved.
1:42.6	So that's why I suggested it to Jordan.
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