Martian Saga here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

Happy Tuesday everyone. Really great show for everyone today.

We spoke with Lisa Miller and Andrea Gonzalez-Framines about their book, Take Up Space,

the unprecedented AOC. We read comments, we read the emails, and we know that there's a lot of

interest in this topic of millennials running for office, this topic of can you affect the political

system? How should you best do that? So this interview with Lisa and Andrea, which Saga couldn't make,

about AOC is actually really important. And because people have been asking for a little more

commentary back and forth between two of them, and I thought for this episode, we just do a quick

segue. And I ask you, Saga, some questions about AOC, especially with your DC inside baseball,

media hat on, because these came up during the episode. And I was actually really curious to get

your take on this. So if people want the interview with Lisa and Andrea, just skip to it. Or if you

want to listen for a few minutes here, we'll talk about all those things. So number one, I asked

Lisa and Andrea this point, which is separate from policy. AOC feels different than most of the other

millennial politicians, quote unquote. AOC actually has a following unlike, let's say, a least

aphonic or unlike, you know, Madison, Cothorn. What do you think is unique about her for good or

for ill? AOC had legitimate star. It's hard to describe. And I don't mean that in terms of a

value judgment, like I think she's good or bad. It's like with Trump. He simply is somebody who

is a star and who understands the ability in order to play the media and all of that against

each other. That being said, what's interesting. And I think this is what you guys get into. Is she

somebody who transitioned from being that traditional outside of the box star to become a little bit

more of a Washington figure? Personally, I actually do think that's a tragic trend.

That's not something the way it should go. And if I were advising her, that's not exactly what I

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