This is an I-Heart podcast.

Guaranteed Human.

Hi, I'm Laura Vanderkamp.

I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, and speaker.

And I'm Sarah Hart Unger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, and course creator.

We are two working parents who love our careers and our families.

Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.

From figuring out child care to mapping out long-term career goals,

we want you to get the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. This is Laura. This

episode is airing in mid-December of 2025. We are mostly going to be talking best-laid plans

today, the exciting new book out from one Sarah Hart Unger. We are mostly going to be talking best laid plans today, the exciting new book out from

one Sarah Hart Unger. We are looking forward to talking about that. But opening, we wanted to talk

a little bit about our Patreon curriculum for the upcoming year. So Sarah and I started a Patreon

community for Best of Both worlds a few years ago. Sarah, do you remember exactly what we

were thinking when we decided to do that? I think we were just looking for a place to have more

of an interactive community because, of course, we have comments on each of our blogs,

but there was nowhere that our listeners could just kind of come together and even chat with

each other on video in real

time and, you know, have it feel almost like a book club of sorts, except that usually we're not

talking about a book. Yeah, we're talking about many other topics, but we have a great forum going.

We have about 200 members at any given point, and so there's enough people that you could have a

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