Here is a big existential question for every media company today. Do they fight the AI

tech overlords or do they just take their money? So far, most of them are taking the money,

but a few are fighting. One of them is Zip Davis. This is Peter Kafka, the host of channels.

And on this week's episode, I'm talking to Zip Davis, CEO of Avec Shah, who tells me he's kind of optimistic about the media business and why he's taking on the people behind chat GPT.

That's this week on channels, wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.

Thank you. All right. How's it going?

Everyone happy.

Say hello to my far left. Producer Mike is with us. Makes it all happen.

What's up everybody? In the middle seat. You might know them from shows like 60 minutes, but somehow we get him to do a dumb tennis podcast also. John Wertheim is with us.

I'm going to tell you my experience.

Do any of you all actually listen to served at all?

You do.

Perfect. Then I don't have to explain what we do.

We're a podcast where we basically just talk a lot of trash, tell you why we love this game so much.

The last 14 hours, and I've had a lot of history in this building behind us,

the last 14 hours has been amazing, right? They announced the mixed doubles and you can have

your opinions. Maybe it's too much. Maybe it's, you know, I bet you watched it. Oh yeah.

And I bet you enjoyed it. Now, working off of the model

of success from the last two days, as far as attendance, we're not getting into the arguments

on, listen, we have to respect the way the game has always been and all of that. So I totally

get that argument. And also, how do we melt that with the success

we saw for the last two days where people got to come see the best players in the world for free

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