Say yes to your life.

And when it comes to drugs and alcohol, just say no.

Hey, we're recording the podcast.

Shut up.

Good morning to you wherever you are because it is morning somewhere.

For August 16th, 2004.

Rush did. My name is Bernie Burns sitting right over there.

She can still play all the Valve games that she wants.

It's because I'm keeping my mouth shut.

Do you think Verge is kind of like, when you think of Verge, what do you think of them?

We're talking about the company, the online news outlet?

Yeah, we discussed them yesterday in relation to the disagreement they're having with Valve

as to whether or not they can write about a game.

Do you think of Verge as being kind of like a mini vice, a vice

wannabe? I think of them as a bit more tech focused. Vice, I tend to think of like the dudes and the skinny jeans going to like weird regions of the world and covering crazy stories. That's what I think of about vice. I think of a dude from Brooklyn going to take ayahuasca or whatever it is. What do they call it?

Yeah. They did a lot of stuff.

Actually, VICE was pretty amazing in that way.

We took a lot of stuff. Actually, VICE was pretty amazing in that way. We took a lot of, a lot of inspiration from some of the stuff they did with RT documentaries when we were doing some of those. It's because they, they did, you know, they took chances, they stretched, they went to like crazy places because they felt an obligation

to cover important stuff. What happened to Vice? Oh, they got shut down. They got shut down?

They did. Unbelievable. They were, I think they had, I want to say they had like at one point,

a $6 billion valuation. And you know, they had, they had a TV. They had a lot of things going on, but it can be hard to maintain that sort of thing. Very few things last forever.

This is from when they restarted their sales process at a lower valuation in 2023. This is an article on CNBC. Vice reached its peak valuation in 2017, valuing the company at the time at nearly

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