The circumstances where the child was last seen and the circumstances that the child was living in at the time, those things are critical to actually solving these cases.

Is there any other forensics or anything else that during that six years that you feel like you're able to do to progress the case at all?

So how many other cases do we have? Because I was really intrigued. Like I wanted to work them, I wanted to solve them.

Hello and welcome to the best case worst case. This is Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiler former NX, a prosecutor, writer, producer on CBS's criminal minds. And with me today is...

Hi everybody, it's Francie Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor. And also I have a different title than Jim. They call me producer extraordinaire at XG Productions. It's a title Jim wishes he had, but he doesn't have it.

How much do you pay the people that say this? Is it the person who cleans up after the office hours?

It's all about the baked goods. I make the baked goods and I get the cool titles. But what I'm really excited about is today we have a brand spanking new guest, someone who is new to the best case worst case family. And he is...

Hi, my name is Chris McMullen. I'm a detective in Ben Salem, Pennsylvania.

Jim, a real detective like an actual real detective right here on best case worst case.

There you go.

Current detective, this is exciting.

I'm sure it is for you, Francie.

Well, I was just thinking because I feel certain that Chris is going to uncover some wrongdoing that you've engaged in during the course of recording these podcasts and I'll be vindicated. That's what I'm hoping.

Well, okay. Well, you latch on to that hope, Francie.

I, instead, we'll talk to Chris McMullen. How are you doing, Chris? Thank you for coming on best case worst case.

I'm good. Thanks for having me.

So Ben Salem, Pennsylvania, where have we heard that before, Francie?

We haven't heard it before. Let's let Chris tell us.

Okay. Why don't you tell us, Chris? Who else we know from Ben Salem, Pennsylvania?

Would that be Jim Fitzgerald?

Jim Fitz Fitzgerald, our old friend.

Yes. Don't call him old, Francie. That's mean.

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