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Hi guys and breathe. Now come on, breathe properly. Do you even know how to breathe properly?

The new science of a lost art is the subtitle to the book written by this week's guest.

His name is James Nestle. I think this, along with Philip Scopiel's book,

makes it my dual pick of 2020. This book is so instructive, it's so insightful,

it's so enlightening and it's so useful. So listen to the guy,

by the book, breathe better, live better. It's the first thing we did when we're born and it's

the last thing we did before, oh, we don't need to go there. Cue the conversation.

So what does it feel like to be a guru? Yeah. I wouldn't know. I have no idea what it feels like

to be a guru. I know what it feels like to be an exhausted journalist and I'm feeling that right

now, but beyond that, all is good. James, you are a guru. I'm sorry because you know, for

a master to become a master, first they are the student and you have become a student of

breathing via your book and you are now my go to breathing guru. So you've got to deal with

that, I'm afraid. I'm afraid you're going to be terribly disappointed by that. I can give you the

words and the science and the practices from gurus, but I will not be dawning that crown anytime soon.

No, you're appointed. You have no choice in the matter. I have coronated you.

I relinquish that title and that crown. Oh, dear.

Right. First of all, thank you for doing this because you've already been on the show once.

You were on Joe Rogan's show. That's how I sort of came across you. Then you book came here.

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