I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hi, everybody.

Welcome to the Soberful podcast.

This is Veronica Valley.

Hi, and this is Chip Summers.

We're so glad that you're here listening to us.

We've got to our 20th episode.

We are two psychotherapists and people in long-term recovery and we like to discuss really anything to do with sobriety, getting sober, and kind of all the stuff in between that. Today's topic, we've talked about this for a while, that we must do it. And we're going to talk about grief.

Oh, good. That's one of my, not my favourite, I suppose favourite topic is the wrong word, but it's certainly something I think is going to happen to us all. At some stage, is incredibly important in sobriety,

and I'm really pleased that we're talking about it.

We're going to be talking about it in different ways, not just grief is when we lose someone,

but brief when we lose anything really.

But before we start, how's your week being chip?

My week has been pretty average, really.

I would love to tell you that it was filled with excitement and

yachts in Monte Carlo. It was spent working in the beginning of the week and then trudging around

the garden, trying to put my incredibly aggressive bees to hibernation for the winter. And they are

ninjas at the moment. Why are they aggressive? Do they need like some anger

management? They certainly do. And sometimes you can actually influence that by putting a new

queen in there and her mood influences the whole lot. But at this particular time, what you're

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