Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, Best Yes Nation, and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor, the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime today.

Two of my favorite best guests are here once again for Great Scott, your true crime, Phil.

This is how the day is going.

Last show, by the way, we had some breaking news on Alan Greenberg.

But now, C-O-E, I'm hearing myself.

Are you hearing that, Scott?

Hearing like a weird little bit of an echo?

I do.

No.

You don't.

No idea what that is with the Fisher Price equipment.

But here we go.

It's a Friday.

This is a show where Friday's a more low key, have a little bit of fun.

Scott, I don't want to put you on the spot, but I'm about to put you on the spot because I reached out to you last night.

We just did a show on Ellen Greenberg, who as everyone here knows by now, she died back in January, January 26 of

2011.

Obviously, this January will be 14 full years.

This case has never been investigated.

She was stabbed 20 times.

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