Building a coffee business?

Serving the best Americano in town is up to you.

But winning back time and growing your business,

leave that to sum up.

Take orders and payments anywhere with the new SumUp terminal.

Turn occasional customers into regulars with a free loyalty program.

And with the SumUp point of sale system,

you'll always know when you're running low on your best-selling blends.

Visit sumup.co.uk to learn more.

This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel with Professor Paul Halper. His new book is Flashes of Creation, George Gamoff, Fred Hoyle, and the Great Big Bang debate. I met Fred

Hoyle from a science fiction book he wrote in the

1950s. I met George Gamoff from a book that he wrote about cosmology, one, two, three, infinity

in the 1950s. I never understood Gamoff. I loved Hoyle. So those are my prejudices, but to have them

both together is a joy joy thanks to Paul's work

so we pick up our story of the son of the pianist at the movies Fred Hoyle he arrives at

Cambridge through a series of you can't make this up debates mentor he has mentor professors

and he's guided to Cambridge. He arrives at the time

of a rich turning of physics at Cambridge. Max Borne, Rudolph Peerles. They're building

an accelerator. The professor DeSitter dies, but others come, Professor Price, Professor Dierach.

And he wins his PhD eventually in 1939.

What did Fred Hoyle think he was while at Cambridge with all these distinguished physicists, Paul?

He definitely wanted to be a particle physicist or a nuclear physicist.

...