I'm John Datscher with Professor John Yoo, writing at the Civitas Institute, about breaking news all around us.

The Trump administration is defying, according to critics, and the district judge, James Bosberg, is demanding, according to news reports, information.

That contest has happened before, and it's a great comfort to me to learn how it has been resolved and the Republic's still here.

The first one is Thomas Jefferson taking on the courts and a man named Marshall.

What happened, John?

Well, John, you know, I really love this stuff even more than what we're talking about today.

And just, yeah, one reminder is that not only did the separation of powers was created by the

famers create these incentives for the branches to fight,

but they have fought a lot. You know, President Trump was not the first person to attack the courts for

their decisions. He's not even the first president to threaten impeachment. As you say, John, it

started as early as Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson comes into office, sweeps the presidency

at Congress. The Federalists, thateps the presidency of Congress.

The Federalists, that was the party of George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, swept out of Congress.

John Adams has swept out of the presidency.

And so one thing that Jefferson says is the last retreat, he calls it the redoubt of the Federal's party is now the judiciary.

That is where they will fight me.

And so Jefferson's party wanted to send a message.

So they impeached a lower court judge from New Hampshire.

But they had grounds for that because the guy was apparently a drunk on the bench.

I don't know if that would get you impeached now, but he used to get you impeached back then.

Then they moved on to higher game, and they tried to impeach a justice of the Supreme Court,

Justice Chase.

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