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2/4: A Future in Flames Paperback – March 19, 2018 by Danielle Clode (Author)

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🗓️ 18 November 2023

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2/4: A Future in Flames Paperback – March 19, 2018 by Danielle Clode (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Future-Flames-Danielle-Clode/dp/0648140776?ref_=ast_author_dp

ire has shaped the Australian landscape and the lives of Australians for thousands of years—and will continue to do so as the climate changes. For all our advances in prevention and prediction, planning and communication, bushfires keep claiming our lives and our homes. How can we avoid another Ash Wednesday or Black Saturday?Danielle Clode has lived in the bushfire danger zone and studied the past and recent history of fire management and fire-fighting. Here she tells the complex story of Australia’s relationship with fire, from indigenous practices to country fire brigades and royal commissions—as well as her own story of living with the threat of fire. A Future in Flames is a vivid history, a sombre reflection and an invaluable guide for living and dealing with fire.

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0:00.0

Ola, imagine you're in Spain, and you've just poured a refreshing Strya Galicia,

0:05.6

Cervesa. You hear the bubbles in the glass calling out.

0:08.6

In the Penlyown and brooding Galutia since 1906, 100% authentic. But not all Spanish beers are what

0:18.8

they seem, a bit like me. I'm not Carlos from Acrouna. I'm Charles from Cambridge. Estreia Galicia.

0:27.0

Spanish. Not Spanish. The book is A Future in Flames, The Story of Bush Fires in Australia, but the story of bushfires everywhere

0:40.0

if you consider the threat to arable land, to people, to wildlife, to ecosystems, and yet not

0:49.6

a threat because it, as we've established, it is part of a continent a part of nature

0:55.8

we come now to the question of what burns in my conversation with you about the

1:01.4

koala I learned that eucalyptus is a torch when it's hit

1:06.8

by fire because of the eucalyptus oil and burns very quickly and then blows through.

1:13.0

There's another tree that also you write about the mountain ash,

1:18.0

and that tree, the ash forests of Australia.

1:22.0

Both the eucalyptus and the mountain ash regenerate very quickly. Is that correct,

1:27.1

Danielle?

1:28.1

Yeah, so mountain ash is a eucalypt as well. It's actually the largest of all the eucalyps and the largest

1:34.8

hardwood in the in the world it's as tall if not possibly taller in the

1:40.1

past than the red, California and the eucalyps are what we call a fire adapted group of plants.

1:51.1

So they're drought adapted and those drought adaptations have happened to have made them resilient in that generally in the face fires.

1:58.0

So they regenerate after fire. They most of you, there's a lot of deaths, but there's also majority usually

2:06.1

survive fires. Mount Nash has an interesting history because it actually does die after fire, but it releases a huge load of sea into the forest and it needs a lot of

2:16.9

sun to regenerate so in the aftermath of a fierce fire a very very, very fierce fire.

2:22.6

And mountain ash fires are notorious.

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