This is CBSI of the world. I'm John Batchel, speaking with John Yu, a distinguished visiting professor at the School of Civic Leadership and Senior Research Fellow at the Civitas Institute, University of Texas.

He's also the Heller Professor of Law at the University of California, Berkeley, and a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, writing about the ghosts, the legend of, the spirit of

the clouds of Watergate here in the 21st century. And there is a vague similarity between

resignations and the Saturday Night Massacre of October 73 and the decision by prosecutors

in New York, Southern District of New York, to leave government

service because the president had obliged his attorney general to seek to dismiss charges or not

to try. There's some important language here. The mayor of New York who was instrumental and can be instrumental in helping the president fulfill a campaign promise and the will of the people,

which is to extricate the illegal or undocumented workers who are piling in the city center and make it very uncomfortable, dangerous.

That's a, that's the presidential concern.

John, what is to be done?

Congress and the president.

They're so partisan now.

I feel like they don't even converse when they're both buying bubble gum.

Is there any way to correct this or are people just going to let it run?

I think everybody thinks that the immediate answer is for the Supreme Court to decide everything.

And that in a way is another sign of the post-Watergate world where we have turned these petty ethical issues with mayors into criminal trial tribe federal cases you know we used to have this

weird phrase in the movie we said don't make a federal case out of it now everything's a federal

case and so everyone wants all of these challenges by trump to the existing order to go up to the

supreme court that almost is a sign actually of the power vacuum that we have if we're

throwing everything over to the judiciary. I hope that the judiciary will just stay hands off

and say, I think the founders wanted. This is a fight for the president and Congress to work out

between themselves. If presidents, as they have had this power to, for example, free spending,

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