I'm Tom Batch for visiting with my colleague Anatole Levin, the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.

We're discussing the possibilities of negotiation between the Trump administration and Kiev going forward in these next weeks.

It's wintertime, and the Kremlin is not rejecting the idea of talks.

What those talks come to, however, is a model.

We've mentioned Cyprus.

We've mentioned Korea.

But we have to take into account Mr. Johnson on a book tour, former prime minister,

very well outspoken, knows how to get a headline. And he said, I paraphrase, to several

interviewers, including most recently in the news in Europe, if Mr. Trump withdraws his support for Keefe, we're going to wind up with NATO troops

in Ukraine. And then that was it corrected to add, and British troops too. And I told, Boris Johnson

is selling books. Is it more than that?

I don't think so. You know, European public opinion is overwhelmingly against sending troops to Ukraine,

including British public opinion. And in any case, what troops? Britain has precisely one brigade,

one brigade of deployable troops that it can send to Ukraine.

Now, of course, after a year or so, a little bit like in the Second World War,

Britain would have more.

But, you know, the question is what would have happened in that year.

And, you know, the Russians have made absolutely clear that, you know, if NATO troops are sent

into action in, in Ukraine, then there will be escalation towards nuclear war. No, I mean,

Johnson is a, well, I hesitate to say this because, you know, we used to think that, that Trump was a Trump was a has-been and finished.

But, well, Johnson certainly looks like a hopeless has-been at the moment.

I hope he remains so.

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