2/2: #Ukraine: No negotiation until the Crimea counteroffensive. Anatol Lieven, Quincy Institute
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2/2: #Ukraine: No negotiation until the Crimea counteroffensive. Anatol Lieven, Quincy Institute
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/11/crimea-has-become-a-frankensteins-monster/
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBSI on the World. I'm John Batcher with my colleague, Anatole Leven of the |
| 0:08.9 | Queenstead Institute for Responsible Statecraft, writing most recently about informpulsi.com, |
| 0:15.4 | about Crimea, the counteroffensive, the leaks, the Ukrainian position, which is mixed with |
| 0:22.7 | politics and history and patriotism. And I touch on the Russian position as much speculation |
| 0:31.0 | about the Putin regime in the Kremlin and about the Russians' losses and the depredations |
| 0:38.3 | of the general population given the sanctions. Anatole, of course, Ukraine is not the best place |
| 0:43.8 | to put your ear to the ground to hear the Kremlin. But do you sense that there is any negotiating |
| 0:49.2 | room in Moscow about Crimea? There has been, I think, a few suggestions about international |
| 0:57.2 | territory, autonomous creating a free city, something like Dan Segaterno, there are other |
| 1:03.2 | analogies in history. Is there any talk like that in Russia to your understanding? |
| 1:08.4 | No, I mean, not in the Russian government or the establishment. The line is simply that |
| 1:13.9 | Crimea is ours. In the past, of course, there was a desire that the Donbass should return |
| 1:24.1 | to Crimea with autonomous status. And that was the agreement made at Minsk in 2015, |
| 1:30.7 | brokered by France and Germany. But Ukraine basically rejected that agreement. And now Russia |
| 1:38.7 | has illegally, of course, but annexed the Donbass. And so those two territories, at least, |
| 1:49.4 | look from a Russian point of view, probably non-negotiable, will certainly in the case of Crimea. |
| 1:57.2 | The question is whether in return for a peace settlement leaving those territories in |
| 2:03.8 | Russian hands, Russia might be prepared to abandon other territory, or whether the entire |
| 2:11.9 | territorial issue could be shelved for future negotiation under a ceasefire. We know. |
| 2:19.3 | We know. Of course, what has happened in other cases of territorial disputes? |
| 2:27.8 | Yes, a ceasefire followed by years of conflict that has not resolved leading to decades. |
| 2:35.0 | A Korean peninsula would be one in which everybody rearms and the world is destabilized by the |
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