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This is CBSI of the world. I'm John Batchew with my colleague Anatole Levin. He's at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft. The conversation has not begun, to our knowledge, although there was a report that President Elect Trump had spoken with President Putin. It was not confirmed. I just mentioned it was in the headlines in these last days.

They tumble around us. However, we come to, is there a peace deal to be obtained?

And I told you, identified two possible futures. And we need to update this every week, because

all the talk pours in, and we don't know whether it applies to the possibility of a Cyprus

arrangement, which is forever being negotiated, a Korean arrangement, which is a DMZ and guns pointed

at each other for 70 years, or there are other remedies, but we've talked to both of those in the past.

Is that nearer or farther because of these most recent apparent escalations?

Well, I mean, it does depend on how Russia retaliates.

And it would seem, you know, that Russia is anxious not to, you know, wreck a possible deal with Trump.

I mean, obviously, if Russia were to retaliate really strongly against U.S. interests, then it would be much, much more difficult.

I mean, I think the question is whether Ukrainian and Russian

stated positions are actually fixed and non-negotiable, or whether, in fact, these are just

initial bargaining positions, because if they are, they are so totally incompatible that there can be no

peace at all, you know, unless America simply walks away.

Ukrainians are not going to recover in any peace deal, territory held by Russia.

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