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Enjoying myself enormously with Sam Gregg, Frederick Hayek Chair in Economics and Economic History at the American Institute for Economic Research. One of the joys of seniority, his philosophy is exciting.

And Sam is taking me on a trip 3,000 years ago, at least.

But now we come up to date.

Contributing editor Civitas Outlook,

he's published a piece about the new natural law,

summarizes NNLT.

And we take on the tough stuff, which is God, Sam's

mentioned, patriotism and liberalism. Let's start with liberalism. There's the rub, Sam.

Yes.

Liberalism is dominant in many of the most admirable governments in the West.

And I'm including all of Europe, all of North America, many aspirational parts of South America,

Australia, naturally, the Commonwealth, and maybe not Eurasia to the extent, but certainly India practices liberalism.

What is it to natural law? Is there friction here?

So liberalism and natural law philosophy have often been portrayed as being

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