I'm John Batsu with my good colleague and friend Patrick K O'Donnell.

His new book is The Unvanquish, which is the beginning of the understanding of Special

Forces, operating in Virginia on horseback.

It's the war from the saddle by Mosby and his four companies by Jesse's scouts which passed through

a number of commanders for the union side, men who wore

the uniform of the opponent and often gained very good information.

That's the beginning of the concept. It's worked again in the second war. We know it is

OSS, which will eventually become famous, but it also comes to special forces and one of them

is the Rangers. The Rangers assaulting on D-Day.

We'll stay with the second Rangers. They climb the cliffs on where they fire electric-fired rockets that grab a hold of the cliff side and they scale right up.

By 715 in the morning, they're mostly up above, but they're going to be surprises here as they as they I think there were about 95 men left when the assault finally finished. What about the guns, Patrick? What did they find at the top?

At the top they find that the guns,

have been removed from these circular concrete reinforced casements,

and they don't find them initially.

And it's First Sergeant Leonard Lamel, who was a great friend of mine.

I was, I interviewed these Rangers over 30 years ago. Many of these men were my great great

great friends and Lamel and Jackoon and others. It was and Lenel in particular.

That I was a very, you know, it was very close to.

And Len had scaled the clip.

He had literally received a bullet through the side, but just kept moving forward.

And they get to the top and many of his men are wounded from the assault assault but they keep pushing forward they clear several

bunkers and then they find tracks where the casement is located and they determine that the guns may be you know maybe

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