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This is CBSI on the World I'm John Batch with Matt Steinglas, the European correspondent

of the Economist magazine, who has explicated what the Marshall Plan was many, many decades ago.

Now the talk of the Marshall Plan for Ukraine following the fighting when it stops as it did in

Europe in 1945. What does that mean for the challenges ahead? Matt, we come to first objection that

I find in your piece of talk in Europe is why? Because it's just going to be another Afghanistan,

another Iraq. All the money will be stolen. What is the difference between Ukraine as we see it today?

And the aid that did not result in success in Afghanistan and Iraq?

I think there are two things to think about there. One is Ukraine is already a developed

industrial economy with a functioning democratic government. In Afghanistan, we were trying to

build a new nation in a country that had not been democratic and it was basically an agrarian

society. And pouring tremendous amounts of money into that society, I think you I spent about

$150 billion in aid there, including defense and humanitarian aid. Pouring money into that

society generated a tremendous amount of corruption. A lot of the money went to stray.

In Ukraine, you're talking about a completely different situation. You're putting money into

functioning businesses, into functioning ministries that know how to spend money, into infrastructure

ministries that know how to build roads, ports, railroads and so forth. And you've got a lot more

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